The claims around the phenomenon are getting are increasingly wilder and I would like to know if there is a resource for identifying the different groups or factions and what claims they’ve made in order to facilitate better understanding their credibility and ties to potential grifters/disinfo agents.
Why is this important? We simply don’t know who to trust. The disinfo is unreal and it seems everyone wants to control the narrative. Not just the government but also a group called the “Guerrilla Skeptics of Wikipedia“. This is huge, watch this. We are truly in an age of unprecedented disinformation.
When I got into UFO’s I was simply looking for green humanoids with cool tech from another planet. Now it appears that’s whatever is happening is much stranger than that and it’s getting hard to stay on top of who said what and what their connections are.
Here are some examples:
David Grusch, Garry Nolan, Jacques Vallee and Diana Walsh Pasulka: UAP aren’t actually from other planets but are instead (projections?) entities who have been here since the evolution of man and have presented themselves to humans as beings that are progressively outside our understanding as we progress The idea that apparitions, fairies, angels, and UAP technology are the same phenomenon isn’t exactly new since “Passport to Magonia.pdf)” released in 93 but this has recently become mainstream UAP retrievals aren’t crash-landings but are instead donations from higher beings who are looking to accelerate our scientific progress Metamaterials are considered biologics For me, these folks are among the most credible and it is my belief that the SOL foundation is the main force planning and executing their plan for disclosure one of my concerns about the SOL foundation is that Chris Mellon is a board member. I generally distrust Mellon since he claimed a balloon was a UFO during the first To The Stars Academy conference. Mellon’s response that “I got up and said what I believe; it so happened that someone projected a carelessly researched photo behind me. Obviously non-ideal, but that picture was totally immaterial to the point I was making and was irrelevant what I believe.” is a fair rebuttal but still makes him look bad. My main rebuttal to Vallee’s idea is that “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic“. This means that if they are hyper-advanced extraterrestrials they could appear to be all of the above. Luis Elizondo, Daniel Sheehan and Steven Greer OK, yes, Elizondo and Greer publicly smear each-other are certainly not a “faction” but Danny Sheehan ties them together since he used to represent Greer and now represents Elizondo. The claims and facts around this group are insanely wild, inconsistent and to me this is a group of people we need to be careful with Elizondo initially claimed to have been director of AATIP, then admitted AATIP wasn’t a program but an “activity” as in an unofficial thing he did in his spare time. This is a MAJOR red flag for me. Why didn’t he come clean and clarify this as soon as he noticed the NY Times article was incorrect? I want to trust Elizondo but I can’t get over this. Hopefully his upcoming documentary will shed on light on this. Steven Greer is clearly a scam artist charging people to see flairs and alleging they’re UFOs. He coined the term “close encounters of the fifth kind” which means alien contact that is initiated by humans – this is not surprising when you see he actively charges people to teach them how to communicate/pray to aliens, pleading for a UFO sighting. This means he is both the inventor of the idea of “close encounters of the fifth kind” while simultaneously being the paid gateway who discovered how to accomplish this. Danny Sheehan, here we go: reptilians are attractive, claimed an alien interview video would be coming out, then he took back his statement. His podcasts quickly became viral due to his explosive claims and now he (along with Richard Dolan) is charging for UAP Classes/Certificates. Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp and Bob Lazar Jeremy initially seemed like a grifter although I enjoyed his documentaries. He’s since grown on me and I now appreciate his work towards disclosure George Knapp is the OG and I admire his long career on UFOs His stories on John Lear and Bob Lazar are legendary I do however have some concerns regarding his alleged connections to Lear and Lazar prior to airing their stories. I can’t find the source right now, but I recall seeing a video that discussed their connection and how they orchestrated their stories together. Apparently there’s footage of Lear and Lazar hanging out at Lazar’s Pyrotechnic Festival Desert Blast Bob Lazar (and Grusch) is probably the person I’m the most biased on because I genuinely want to believe his story. Although his personal life has many things you can question, those were different times and everyone can make mistakes. His personal shortcomings don’t automatically make his claims false. However, he could be the best hoaxer of all time, I remain undecided. Harry Reid, Robert Bigelow, Skinwalker Ranch and Brandon Fugal: UFO’s, portals to other dimensions monsters and dinosaur-beaver hybrids, the ranch is a huge grift and everyone involved with it is sus to me (sadly, even George Knapp due to his book) Harry Reid received funding from Bigelow and in return gave him 22 million USD to research the UFO phenomenon and Skinwalker Ranch – allegedly the Pentagon didn’t know exactly what they were researching and scrapped the program when they found out. Eric Davis and The UFO Phenomena – A Serious Look I have high hopes that this guy is the real deal and has first-hand knowledge of UFOs What seems super weird to me is that he regularly posts in this FACEBOOK GROUP of all things (yes, the real Eric Davis from the Wilson-Davis memo). Why would a scientist with first-hand knowledge of UFOs decide to post about this on freaking facebook? Join the group, search his name and see for yourself how active he is in this group. Debunkers People like Mick West are needed because although we don’t agree with everything they say, the research they put into disproving UAP is a net positive when we all learn from their findings Disinfo agents/Grifters/Useful Idiots Jaime Maussan – presented the Peruvian Nazca mummies to Mexican congress these were proven to be made with modern glue Jon Stewart – making a documentary regarding the Victor alien interview Carl Sagan – part of the UFO coverup Tim Burchett believes one of these people is unknowingly a disinformation agent: Lue Elizondo Christopher Mellon Steven Greer Jeremy Corbell George Knapp Travis Taylor Brandon Fugal
I suppose what I hope to find is some sort of tracker, site (megathread?) or tool that can tie all the different claims back to their propagators so that we can have a grading system or idea of who’s claims hold up over time. Maybe something similar to disclosuretracker.net or boblazardebunked.com but for all parties involved. If you know of anything like this or have any recommendations please let me know.
I’m curious to hear your thoughts regarding anyone and everyone in the UFO community (but please try to provide sources for your statements)
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