Two weeks ago I shared my very modest bit of research on the Wilson Davis Memo and its implications as to what type of beast we – as people interested in the UFO topic – are dealing with. You can take a look at that post here (it includes a link to the original Wilson Davis Memo leak in case you want to look at that while reading my post):

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https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1aggrnf/guarding_the_unknown_the_high_price_of_secrecy/

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To summarize, I picked out a small detail of the Wilson Davis Memo that talked about the security budget of the black UFO program Admiral Thomas Wilson found being 6-7 times that of the actual program budget. After which I outlined what type of functions are typically included in such a security budget and what we might be up against accordingly.

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Now I have been trying to find interviews with Dr. Eric W. Davis and I stumbled upon this piece from two years ago that seemed to fly completely under the radar, not even breaking 10.000 views on YouTube:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4OgUzpa3KU

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If you simply want to follow my line of reasoning, I have transcribed the relevant passages of the interview for your reading pleasure. However I highly recommend listening to the interview for yourself (after a lengthy introduction by the host, the actual interview starts at 00:07:15), because he also goes into his experiences at Skinwalker Ranch and his work for NIDS which was fascinating to hear. But we put that aside to construct my argument which I’m going to lay out now.

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A.) Analysis

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We jump to the last quarter of the interview. Amazingly, Davis nonchalantly confirms UFO crash retrievals being a real thing after the host asks about them (00:54:45). Davis then goes on to explain at 00:56:07:

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“A minute fraction, less than 1/1.000 or 1/100.000 of the people with the need to know access/authorization and security clearances to be involved with that type of work are the only ones that know. The vast majority of the rest of the government really doesn’t know. And that’s why the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing, virtually, because of the stove piping that goes on in compartmentalized programs. And you just can’t knock on doors and say: “Hey, here’s who I am. I’ve got clearances, but not the right ones, I don’t have a need to know, but I wanna know. So can you tell me?” You’re gonna be lied to, because that’s the rule.”

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Knocking on doors, a very interesting way to put it, isn’t it? Where have we heard this before? That’s right! On page 6 of the Wilson Davis Memo it says:

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“EWD: Okay then, what happened in April – June 1997?

TW: After parting with Miller, I made calls, knocked on a few doors, talked to people – went on for 45 days (thereabouts) on and off.”

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This passage of course deals with then (1997) Deputy Director of the DIA and Assistant Joint Chief of Staff J-2 Thomas Wilson’s inquiry into black UFO crash retrieval programs following his meeting with Dr. Steven Greer, Dr. Edgar Mitchell and Will Miller.

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Back to the interview linked above, Davis goes on to explain how “one” (referring to himself of course, which he specifically avoids doing literally) goes about accessing the coveted knowledge of UFO crash retrieval programs:

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“It takes a lot of hard tracking and digging, networking and it can take years and years and years. And then you develop the security clearances and the authorization for the need to know that will appropriately allow you access to that information. Then you find out: yeah, yeah, it’s there. It’s true. On the other hand, sometimes the information does come out on its own. But it doesn’t come out in the way ufology likes to fantasize about it. It comes out only to specific people who have specific talents and skills, who have security clearances. They may not have the need to know. But they could have the need to know, if they were presented to the crash retrievals program “Hey, I wanna bring in gentleman xyz, he’s got the security clearances, but he doesn’t have the need to know. I wanna give him the need to know, because I need his talent to help us solve this problem with the crash retrieval and reverse engineering studies.” So then they will do that. That’s the official way of doing it. That’s how you get brought in.

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The unofficial way is you build a level of trust with certain individuals and people within in the network who after a few years of knowing them, you work with them, they know who you are, they know what you’re capable of. They know your competencies and they wanna bring the topic up on an informal basis with you. They may wanna bring the topic up outside of the security apparatus, but within a SCIF. (…) This is what we can tell you, but there’s things that we can’t tell you and we can tell you those things if you can get the next level of security and authorization to get the need to know and then we can do business with you. But before we get to that point, here’s what we can tell you without crossing that red line of the need to know and the proper clearances. So you work this stuff out over several years, you build networks, you find the right people.

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-> You know, you don’t do it by knocking on doors. <-

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You do it through the happenstance of having a contract with somebody or a subcontractor and you’re interfacing with them and lo and behold you find out they’re the vice president or the president of one of the legacy aerospace corporations and they happen to be a PhD in a stem discipline. And it just so happens that they were a guy who worked on the crash retrieval program. Oh, lo and behold and then they find out that you’re working on UFOs for a DoD program (he is referring to AAWSAP, the UFO investigation SAP by the DIA within the DoD). And they say “well that’s wonderful, you’re officially a government contractor or a subcontractor and you’re working with another aerospace company (he is referring to Bigelow Aerospace Advance Space Studies (BAASS) which was the actual contractor carrying out the work order within the framework of AAWSAP) and you’re working on UFOs. Well guess what, we did it, too! And we don’t do it now, but we did it in the past and here’s what we can tell you off the record and you’ll have to go another step before we can tell you what it is on the record.”

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So not only did Davis blatantly outline his path to finding the black UFO program in question, he once again refers to Thomas Wilson’s approach “knocking on doors”. Consider that this could be phrased a number of ways: asking around; inquiring, beating the bushes; scouring the landscape; rattling cages; turning over stones; shaking the tree; going fishing; etc, but somehow this phrase always comes to his mind. I am open to the idea of him picking this specific phrase consciously or subconsciously, but personally, I don’t believe it is a coincidence.

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Davis presents the “knocking on doors” approach as a failure. Which it was. Wilson found out that the program existed, but the gatekeepers would not read him in and he was humiliated by his bosses when he tried to go toe-to-toe with those gatekeepers. Additionally, Davis left us with an interesting breadcrumb as to who – working for either Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing or Raytheon (the legacy aerospace companies = companies with a long history in the aerospace industry) in 2008-2010 (my guess, as that’s when Davis worked for the subcontractor BAASS for AAWSAP) – used to work in the UFO crash retrieval program in question. Namely someone with a PhD. I have briefly looked into this matter, but this will be a topic for another day or for some of you to carry on the torch. All I can tell you is from a superficial investigation is that these folks usually have bachelor’s and master’s degrees. PhDs a rather rare.

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Moving on, Davis was not done subtly confirming the authenticity of the Wilson Davis Memo.

01:00:45:

“The way Steeve Greer went about it for his disclosure program, that was called the shotgun approach. The shotgun approach means he was putting himself out there during the 1990s, talking about crash retrievals. One thing led to another, he was like a bar magnet attracting all these retirees from various parts of the government and US military who had some knowledge about the UFO subject and the crash retrieval subject in particular. Good majority of them were crackpots, they were phonies, but there was a small number of them that were the real deal.”

Host interjects.

“No no, what I mean is the information was verifiable. In other words, once people looked into it they said “yeah, this is realistic”.

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So not only does Davis confirm that Greer was making the rounds in DC in 1997, but he refers to “people” (in my opinion: Wilson) looking into Greer’s claims and confirming them.

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And lastly I want to present to you the crowning piece that prompted me to compose this part II.

01:08:25:

“The cost to maintain information, personnel and physical security for a SAP can be 10s of times larger than the cost of the program itself.”

Davis then continues to give a hypothetical example of such a SAP budgetary structure and says “(…)the security for that could be as much as ten times higher. Stretched out over a number of years of course, not all at once.”

Not only does Davis confirm the insight of the Wilson Davis Memo that was the center-piece for my last post (security budget being up to 6-7 times higher than the program budget), but he even mentions the detail of the added clarification on p. 8 of the memo:

“(…)Security budget were sometimes cumulative and not annual numbers(…). 6-7 could be 2-5 years cumulative total.”

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B.) Conclusions:

1.) After years of work for the government and networking, Dr. Eric W. Davis has laid eyes upon the holy grail: he has found at least one of the black UFO crash retrieval SAPs. He learned from the experience of Thomas Wilson and found his own path to the CR program and it took him years. Davis told us that he is one of David Grusch’s 40 whistleblowers and given what he outlines in this interview, it checks out.

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2.) The authenticity of the Wilson Davis Memo is confirmed. That is, if you are willing to connect the dots in the way that I have. I fully understand if you are not willing to do that, I don’t claim to preach the gospel.

But remember: this is but one single piece of evidence speaking to the veracity of the contents of the Wilson Davis Memo. There’s a lot more out there and I’m not exaggerating.

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3.) Obviously, this is not the smoking gun. But for anyone out there struggling to decide if the UFO cover-up story has any teeth, I believe I have provided something you can dig your teeth into. That is what I’ll be doing anyway and I don’t plan on letting go.

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I want to sincerely thank anyone who has read this entire piece. It was a lot of fun putting this together and I hope it was a somewhat enjoyable read for you. Once again, English is not my native language in case any phrases or grammar hit your ear the wrong way. I tried to be as respectful as possible and hope you can offer me the same courtesy. One of my weaknesses is that I tend to be all over the place (when doing anything, really), but I hope I managed to structure this post in a way that allowed you to follow my line of thought. Still I will try to improve, should I do another post in the future.

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Finally, I want to sincerely wish you a wonderful weekend! Peace!