An agency
When referring to his struggles with PTSD and seeking treatment, Mr. Grusch says “there was an agency that tried to dig that back up… I sought treatment, still do, because that’s what you do… they tried to use that against me.”
I think we all know there has been a coordinated smear and intimidation campaign against him, but it’s interesting to hear him says there was an agency.
It may be central to understanding this if we use our intelligence in regards to which agency he could be referring to. lol
[at 10:40](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=640)
Very senior Navy individual that’s firsthand witness
He brings up interviewing for 3 hours a firsthand witness that’s “still in active duty”, who is a “very senior Navy individual.” Mr. Grusch says this witness “was going to work at a certain facility in the morning… a 300 foot triangular craft hovered his car… for a couple of minutes. He couldn’t even process what he was seeing, but then he took pictures of his car after the incident, and all the zeniths upper facing decks of his car were all hit with ionizing radiation ultraviolet because the paint became milky.”
“He’s just a dude that was going to work at a Navy base and he had a freaking huge craft… the physical proof he provided, he drew what he saw, no sound, these weird omnidirectional lights, kind of that classic triangle.”
“He was super scared to come forward. He didn’t tell his wife for 5 years.”
“Talking to these people that were literally in tears telling me this stuff cause it was an emotional thing that they could not process analytically what they were seeing, it was totally beyond our comprehension.”
Dear Very Senior Navy Individual,
There is no reason something you saw in your car on your way to work would be held behind any classification. Please take inspiration from Mr. Grusch’s courage and share your story publicly.
[at 23:42](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=1422)
On possible Five Eyes allies being pro disclosure
”So there’s certainly friendly governments both across the pond, and we’ll say local to where we are landmass, that are for this, and a lot of them know that they got a raw deal with the US cause they were basically part of the secrecy through kind of agreements, bilateral, unilateral agreements. And they’re like kind of want to be ‘release me’, like you know cause they do realize it was a bad deal.”
I think he’s clearly saying here the UK and Canadian governments possibly have UAP agencies that maintain the same level of secrecy as US, possibly not even disclosing to their own governments. I think it’s interesting that he seems to be saying they are pro disclosure. I wish they would be taking more steps, instead of just, oh we’re too scared, but we hope you guys in the US figure out disclosure cause we got screwed on these tech sharing deals. Ffs 🙄
[at 25:53](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=1553)
Non-human biologics
“But like what are they, you know, actually? If they do exhibit bilateral symmetry and they’re bipedal and everything, it’s like wow what’s the chance biologically for them to develop in a similar way than us. What if it is an intelligence engineering beings to look like us for ease of contact.”
Unless I’m mistaken, I think this may be the first time he’s expanded on the non-human biologics element of his testimony. Is he just speculating, or is he actually saying the usual stereotypical alien is what he’s been referring to by non-human biologics? 👽
[at 28:02](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=1682)
Other whistleblowers in and out of government
”What is happening next is I know there’s some intel officers and other people in and out of government that are about to file complaints similar to what I did. Cause they said fuck it you know. And they were on these programs, like firsthand dudes you know. Not people telling me stuff, like literally the dudes touching the stuff.”
Mr. Grusch began his whistleblower complaint process back in 2021. If these whistleblowers are just starting their process around the time of the House hearing, then these will take time. Hopefully though, with new whistleblower protections in place, they will be able to come forward publicly sooner.
[at 30:54](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=1854)
Quick intermission for cute dogs
The aliens are really here cause they want to take our dogs. 🐕🐶
[at 35:32](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=2132)
On brutal enforcement of secrecy
”The funny thing is if you’re in an unacknowledged program, you don’t even know what you’re getting briefed to. When you are like, hey we need you sign an NDA you’re going to be on something cool, but what is it? We can’t tell you until you sign.”
”So and then they sign it and then they see all the stipulations, how it’s enforced, [they] were briefed in a very threatening manner, and I think they probably wish they never signed it.”
”They enforce this brutally.”
I think it’s pretty telling how some of these people are seemingly deceived into working in these programs. It seems they have no idea the level of secrecy and intimidation they have to endure as soon as they’re in the program. This type of dishonest, manipulative, and threatening behavior kind of reminded me of [Turner and Nelson.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16pmv43/eglin_pilots_that_encounter_uap_have_destroyed/)
[at 41:50](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=2510)
On being neurodivergent
”My divergence really helped to keep the train on the tracks. They didn’t consider my zest to continue the mission.”
LMAO I loved this part.
Superiors: Hey Grusch we want you to investigate UAP. Make sure you do a good job.
Grusch: Ok boss
4 years later…
Grusch: here boss after interviewing 40 witnesses, it seems there are UAP programs being hidden from congressional oversight, funds are being misappropriated, witnesses are being threatened and possibly murdered, scientific development is being prevented, humanity is being lied to
Superiors: Damn ok we didn’t mean like that. Now we have all this paperwork to do. 😒
[at 43:30](https://youtu.be/kwsWAQ9sJZE?t=2610)
More barriers to speaking publicly for firsthand whistleblowers
”If I became subject of a non-disclosure agreement by becoming a firsthand guy, actually would’ve hindered me, and I would’ve never been able to do this. I think about some stuff I was denied access to, if I signed that non-disclosure agreement, I would’ve absolutely not been able to go public with this. I would’ve been trapped.”
”I’ve talked to these people on the program. They’re just so afraid, because the way it was enforced over the years. The threatening nature of some of their indoctrinations where they’re like this is treason, you’re going to Leavenworth, if you ever tell anyone not in the program, and oh by the way what’s the penalty for treason? Oh right execution.”
I always wondered if there would be more barriers to speaking publicly for firsthand whistleblowers. This seems to confirm it. I wonder how different the process would be for firsthand whistleblowers to submit their DOPSR requests. It would likely be more difficult, if not impossible, and that’s before even considering the threats, intimidation, and “brutal enforcement” stuff.
Still, hopefully with more whistleblower protections and UAPDA, and more hearings, and a Select Committee, we can hear from more people publicly.
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