I’ll preface this by stating that I’m a skeptic and in my younger days was a believer in UFO’s and aliens and have had my own sighting of a UFO nearly 30 years ago. I never necessarily believed it to be alien in nature but it certainly was something unidentified and flying. A couple of years ago I did some research into what I saw and where, and now am fairly certain it was a then unreleased test version of a drone from a nearby military base.
With that said, let’s get started.
Before the 1st hearing in Mexico I had no idea who Jaime Maussan was and so was fortunate enough to be able to look at his claims more objectively than I otherwise would have been able to. Many skeptics rightfully state that these claims from people who illegally loot burial sites for a living should be met with caution, but on the flip side – What sort of person is most likely to discover mummified bodies in a burial cave? It would almost certainly be somebody who raids graves for a living. If I were such a person and discovered what I believed to be an alien body I’d certainly get in touch with a well-known researcher on the subject like Maussan. Just my thoughts on the nature of the discovery.
The “Debunking” Video
In the first hearing, the professionals who have been studying the mummies for the past 4 years said this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4xO8MW_thY&t=3h38m19s
The bones structure of the entire skeleton shows us a perfect harmony and agreement between the joints, the final part of each bone fits perfectly with the bone that follows it and in addition the wear of these is observed do to the movement of the biomechanics of the specimen.
So comparing this claim to the well known debunking video was something I thought required investigation.
I’ve noticed in the debunking video of the Nazca Mummies (the one with the coloured bones oriented incorrectly) that many are quick to accept it as proof without doing the same sort of skeptical validation they apply towards the actual claim. As an example, it’s clear by the fact that the bones are highlighted in colour that these images have already been manipulated by the author of the video. So the first thing to do is to check whether the original images of Josephine correlate to what is presented in the edited image. I’ve checked numerous images and frames from various videos and haven’t been able to verify these falsification claims.
Josephina was claimed to have had her right arm bone severed to match the correct length and also that her hips are misaligned. Not only have I not been able to verify this is the case from an original image, I can show that both of these claims are in fact false.
(This link is the website of the authors of the debunking video that gets filtered if you try to link direct)
antropogenez dot are you slash uploads/tx_antropedia/Josefina_01.JPG
What this image proves is that the original xray stills have been taken at an angle and likely pieced together in production of the video. Her hip joints are inline with the angle of the lit box and therefor must be straight.
What you’ll also notice is that xray image presented in the debunking video appear to be flipped horizontally. People keep stating incorrectly that Maussan has flipped the images so as to hide this error. This is wrong.
The image above was taken directly from the website of those who made the video. THEY have flipped the images during production of the debunk. Not those in Mexico.
Regrading the “severed” arm bone, here are some human xrays exhibiting a similar effect due to the positioning of the subject being xrayed.
https://radiologykey.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/01830.jpg
https://radiologykey.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/f007-043ac-9780323323079.jpg
Here is a still taken from the second hearing that shows the CT scan imagery proves my theory the arm bone has not been severed.
The bone does not abruptly end and valutes as it is supposed to.
As for how it seems some bones are incorrectly orientated this can also be easily explained:
Here is a closeup of Josephina’s left hand x-ray, and a shot of her lying down. (Josephina is the body on the right in the second image).
Notice in the second image how her left hand is significantly higher than the rest of her body and her fingers are extremely curved. This positioning exaggerates the size and shape of each end of the bones that are highest as they are closet to the camera if you will. This perspective trick is amplified if the image is flipped/mirrored horizontally. What’s interesting is that those who made the debunking video have no reason to flip the image horizontally, but that’s exactly what they did. They also use perspective tricks to claim the hips are not aligned and the bones are different lengths. This is really basic stuff that only someone with an agenda wouldn’t address during production of the video.
To me, this debunking video is definitely inconclusive at best but more likely has been produced with the aim of proving the mummies to be a fabrication rather than proving the truth one way or the other, and with such basic errors being made in favour of supporting the conclusion these beings are fabricated I can’t really trust it’s content. I’d have to give much more weight to the opinion of someone who has actually studied these beings in the flesh.
The debunking video has been debunked.
The Llama Braincase
This research paper gives an in-depth analysis of the skull, notes some similarities and very important differences.
https://www.iaras.org/iaras/filedownloads/ijbb/2021/021-0007(2021).pdf.pdf)
Regarding the Llama braincase paper there has been much misunderstanding from those who cite it as proof of a forgery. The common argument I saw made was that the paper states it was a llama braincase and this is definitive. This isn’t actually what was said.
Ultimately it concludes:
No manipulation of Josephina’s skull can be detected. The density of the face bones matches very well the density of the rest of the skull. No seams with glues, etc. are obvious, and the whole skull forms one unit.
The comparison between Josephina’s skull and the braincase of a llama (and an alpaca) results mainly, in (i) differences in thickness (that may be explained by deterioration), (ii) existence of mouth plates in Josephina’s skull that seem to be joined to the face bones, (iii) differences in the occipital area. 4. No similarities could be identified between Josephina’s mouth plates to any skeleton part
There are also features on Josephina’s skull like the orbital fissure and the optic canal, similar to the llama’s, that are however on the opposite site of the skull than where they should be
Based on the above, if one is convinced that the finds constitute a fabrication, one has to admit at the same time that the finds are constructions of very high quality and wonder how these were produced hundreds of year ago (based on the C14 test), or even today, with primitive technology and poor means available to huaqueros, the tomb raiders of Peru.
This for me gave some of the strongest evidence that these bodies are not a hoax. As it must have done for the author who now believes that specimens to be real. It categorically states that whilst it is similar in some ways to a llama’s skull, there are several important differences that mean it cannot be a llama’s braincase.
DNA Testing
Most of the misconceptions come from only one report of the DNA analysis. This report isn’t even the most interesting one, but I’ll cover the other in a moment.
The first report is not some sort of conclusive proof of a fabrication as is often claimed. Yes, the report states the DNA is contaminated, there is bean DNA, and DNA from numerous individuals but this does not mean the bodies have been faked. I feel this is a general misunderstanding of the report and a lack of knowledge as to how they were allegedly prepared for burial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyMlkm7Njo&t=1h29m25s
Basically it doesn’t prove anything one way or another. If the samples are contaminated then it wouldn’t be unreasonable to discover DNA of multiple people or organisms, that by definition is what contamination is. As linked above, it was also stated the skin of the remains was first covered in some sort of resin in the first stage of burial preparation. What was this resin made of? Did it contain bean DNA? We don’t know, so we can’t claim it as evidence one way or the other.
Another misunderstood claim is that Maria’s bones from different hands and are not related to each other. Again this isn’t what the report stated.
The following conclusions were drawn from the data obtained:
There is evidence of DNA contamination.
Palm of right hand (1) contains DNA from more than one individual.
Finger of left foot (2) contains DNA from more than one individual.
Vertebrae (6) contains DNA from more than one individual.
The Amelogenin marker [AMEL] (the marker used for [checking whether the subject is male of female] within this genotyping kit) shows that for each of the three samples tested, there is a major component of female DNA and a minor component of male DNA. For each of the samples tested, there is a presence of, at least, one female individual and one male individual.
Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) show evidence of sharing a common source of DNA.
There is not sufficient data to include nor exclude Palm of right hand (1) having a common source of DNA to Finger of left foot (2) and Vertebrae (6) with any confidence.
Meaning, there is insufficient data to say one way or the other.
Many also claim the fact that samples show similarities to the human genome means they are human. This is not the case, and a similarity would not be unusual. The genome of mice shares 70% similarity with humans, and mice are not human. It is entirely realistic to suspect at this stage these beings evolved on earth and are a new species.
I see it frequently argued that the released DNA sequences for the samples for the samples are classified as human (which is true) so therefor they are human. This is not correct.
I seldom see these DNA analysis report mentioned, and it is where things get very interesting. These reports are what led to the sequencing data being released, and given the findings I’m not surprised.
Ancient03 is the clearly constructed hand. Ancient02 and Ancient04 were samples taken from Victoria.
Extraction and sequencing was done by CEN4GEN in Canada
https://www.the-alien-project.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ABRAXAS-EN.pdf
First report:
CONCLUSIONS
Abraxas Biosystems performed a wide range of bioinformatic and genomic analysis in order to identify the possible biological origin and the ancestry of the samples provided by Jaime Maussan and his scientific colleagues and extracted/Sequenced at CEN4GEN labs. After the design of a meticulously customized protocol for maximizing the success rate of ancient DNA extraction, sequencing (with CEN4GEN Labs) and bioinformatic analysis of the samples, results show a very low mapping match with human genome data for samples Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 contrary to the Ancient0003 sample that did show very high mapping matches to the human genome. Also it is notable that Ancient0002 and Ancient0004 samples show very low rates of matches to one of the most trusted and accurate databases (nt from NCBI)
So they broadened the scope and did it again for the second report. Matching not only against the human genome to which it was only 6% similar but plenty of others including a llama which showed only 3% similarity.
This is how the second report ends:
This shows that by passing through a filter including a large line of known genomes and organism types, 100% of the genomic origin of the overlaps obtained from the Victoria samples is not found. In particular, about 27.00% and 55.48% of the overlaps of the Ancient002 and Ancient004 samples, respectively, can not be associated with any type of organism of all types of organisms and species accumulated in this analysis.
The database they tested against was enormous. Yes, not every organism on earth is in this database but in my opinion there is a high probability that every vertebrate a tomb raider creating a hoax could obtain would already be in that database. Thus if the bodies are constructions they would have almost certainly been matched to a much higher standard even with DNA degradation given that the techniques used where specific to those needed for ancient remains.
At this point, it’s looking most probably that these are a new species evolved on earth but let’s for a moment entertain the idea that they are from elsewhere.
It is mentioned frequently that these bodies shouldn’t contain DNA at all if they are alien. Well, why not? If evolution on this planet has favoured an RNA precursor and DNA as being the most successful evolutionary next step, then isn’t it reasonable to assume that on another earth-like planet DNA would also become the evolutionary victor?
If these bodies are a hoax, what’s the goal? Money? To create these things you’d have to be one of the best taxidermists on the planet, with a level of knowledge that could fool 11 scientists who have studied these beings for 4 years and put their reputations and future career prospects on the line by standing by their authenticity.
Ask yourself this, if a fake alien body that had been cobbled together using bits of various cadaver was put in front of you, do you think you’d be able to tell it was fake? How long do you think it would take for you to spot it was fake? Do you think you’d need xrays and ct scans and biological testing to conclude it was fake? No, neither do I. If it was fake those studying it would have been able to tell within 10 minutes, and they’ve spent 4 years looking at these.
I don’t know if these things are alien or if they’re from another earthly evolutionary line but at this point I don’t believe they’re fake. What we’re looking at here is something with the potential to change our whole understanding of what we are and/or our place in the universe. This is a big realisation and it’s ok to be skeptical, in fact it is good to be skeptical, I’m skeptical. But I think those of us who are also need to be just as skeptical of the debunkers and others who claim to be skeptics themselves. You can’t uncover truth if you don’t want to go where it leads you.
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