These are excerpts from the transcript of the July 26 hearing:
Tim Burchett: It is very unfortunate. As they say, when you are over the target that is when they do the most firing at you. Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?
David Grusch: Yes, personally.
later…
Virginia Foxx: Mr. Grusch, in your sworn testimony you state that the U.S. Government has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP-related artifacts. You go so far as to state that the U.S. is in possession of “nonhuman spacecraft” and that some of these artifacts have circulated with defense contractors. Several other former military and intelligence officials have come forward with similar allegations albeit in nonpublic settings. However, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of AARO, previously testified before Congress that there has been, and I quote, “no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity” or of, quote, “off-world technology brought to the attention of the office”. To your knowledge, is that statement correct?
David Grusch: It is not accurate. I believe Dr. Kirkpatrick mentioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to AARO thus far. A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed.
later…
Tim Burchett: Has the U.S. Government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial or otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence and, if so, when do you think this first occurred?
David Grusch: I like to use the term nonhuman. I do not like to denote origin. Keeps the aperture open both scientifically. Certainly, like I have discussed publicly, previously 1930’s.
later..
Eric Burlison: You have mentioned that there is interdimensional potential. Could you expound on that?
David Grusch: I am here as a fact witness and not an expert, but I will give you a theoretical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes. In terms of multidimensionality, that kind of thing, the framework that I am familiar with, for example, is something called the holographic principle both – it derives itself from general relativity and quantum mechanics and that is if you want to imagine a 3D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2D surface that is the holographic principle. So, you can be projected – quasi projected from higher dimensional space to lower dimensional. It is a scientific trope that you can actually cross, literally, as far as I understand, but there is probably guys with Ph.Ds. that we could probably argue about that.
Eric Burlison: But you have not seen any documentation that that is what is occurring? It is a theory?
David Grusch: Only theoretical framework discussion.
later…
Anna Paulina Luna: Thank you. Mr. Grusch, why is it that you refer to the phenomenon as nonhuman intelligence? Why deviate from the basis of extraterrestrial life?
David Grusch: I think the phenomenon is a very complex and I like to leave an open mind analytically to specific origin.
Anna Paulina Luna: When you say specific origin are you referring – can you elaborate on that for those that might not –
David Grusch: If it is a traditional extraterrestrial origin or something else that we do not quite understand from an either biological or astrophysics perspective. I just like to keep an open mind on what it could be.
I just worry from Luna’s response on Friday that she thinks that Grusch was confirming extradimensionality. It sure didn’t sound like that to me. Grusch was being very scientifically cautious when saying Non-Human Intelligence instead of Extraterrestrial simply because he can’t confirm their origin and he wants to keep open all possibilities. But none of his sworn testimony ruled out extraterrestrial, or confirmed extradimensional. He was simply providing context for why it doesn’t have to be extraterrestrial. Now, could he have said something in private to Luna and others that expanded on that? I suppose, but I’m not aware of Grusch and Luna communicating directly since the public hearing. And I’m certainly not aware of any public statements Grusch has made about being certain of interdimensionality.
Luna has been great on this subject, and we don’t know what she heard in the hearing with the IC IG to make her come out of it and immediately mention the interdimensional aspect to the public, but I don’t believe Grusch has stated anything publicly to support what she said. Anyone disagree?
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