Calvine! An Eyebrow Raising Classic UAP/UFO Case


THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST

I think the Calvine UAP story is fascinating. I also found it interesting that the Calvine photo was used during Nell’s Sol Symposium slides that compared a UAP to a TNO. I think this is one of the cases that has been mentioned in the past as existing info in the public sphere but has suffered attacks and attempted obfuscation. There has been a lot of research over the years into this one so I don’t think I will uncover anything new for those with a lot of time in the topic, but it may help to consolidate the related information into one place for those interested in it. The photo.

Calvine 1990 Photograph

SIMILARITIES TO CASES LIKE THE TIC TAC

It was celebrated around here when the photo was found. See Calvine shares similarities with other confirmed UAP/UFO like the Tic Tac. Cases that where whispers, then leaks, then retroactively confirmed to be a UAP/UFO.

ATS website posts about the Tic Tac Event, posted in 2007 Reddit post about the Tic Tac event, posted in 2013 Fightersweep article about the Tic Tac Event, posted in 2015 2017 Article written by NYT as part of a series that talks about the Pentagon’s UAP programs and some of the events. The Tic Tac is one of those events described in the NYT Article

THE OFFICIAL STORY

The official story regarding the Calvine UFO incident, according to the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD), is that after examining the photograph and investigating the incident, they found no evidence of any threat to the UK’s defense and no indication that the observed phenomena were anything other than ordinary. Consequently, they concluded that the UFO sighting was of limited interest and decided not to pursue it further. The MoD has maintained that their interest in UFOs is strictly in terms of defense and national security, and they investigate sightings only to ensure there is no potential military threat.

So it’s not investigated if it isn’t a threat. If it’s some sort of allied craft that was being escorted, they could deem it not a threat, and not investigate it?

DAVID CLARKE’S RESEARCH

Has helped bring new details to light in this classic case and I recommend reading the articles that are recent explanations of the Calvine story. David Clarke is a known skeptic but his healthy approach to the phenomenon and persistence in this case has allowed it to remain as one of the most interesting cases in the public sphere to date. Since it hasn’t been debunked and it’s been out there for 34 years, it remains a true UAP.

“Eventually the two men stuck their camera out from where they were hiding and fired off six frames. At that point, the object shot vertically upwards and disappeared way, way up in to the sky.”

The 2 hikers who took the photo shared details of the encounter worth reading about. Apparently we won’t know their identity until 2050 due to MoD classification. If it was deemed to not be a threat, what gives for the lock down of their identity and classification?

NICK POPE AND HIS STATEMENTS REGARDING THE PICTURE

Who is Nick Pope)?

Pope worked as a civil servant for the Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006. From 1991 to 1994, he worked in Secretariat (Air Staff) Sec (AS) 2a more commonly known as the “UFO desk”, where his duties included investigating reports of UFO sightings, to see if they had any defence significance. At the time, while the Ministry of Defence stated that it “remains totally open-minded about the existence or otherwise of extraterrestrial lifeforms”, it also stated that there was no evidence to suggest that any UFO sightings posed any threat to the UK or that they were extraterrestrial in origin.5])#citenote-5) It is clear from material that Pope wrote whilst still at the MoD that he did not share the MoD’s view that conventional explanations could be found for all UFO sightings.[6])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Pope(journalist)#cite_note-6)

I find comments like this from Nick Pope to be very intriguing:

Calvine UFO Photo: It’s my policy not to comment on leaked information, especially if it might be classified, so until I receive Ministry of Defence advice, I can neither confirm nor deny if this is the picture that was displayed on my office wall when I ran the MoD’s ‘UFO desk’

There have been references of a mockup that hung in an office over the years.

PRIOR TO THE PHOTOS RELEASE IN 2022, NICK POPE SAID THERE WERE 2 PLANES

Nick Pope spoke on the Calvine photo in an article written October 2020.

The MoD’s technical wizards leapt into action. The images were enlarged and analyzed, using the full resources and capabilities of intelligence community specialists. Even now, years after these events, I can’t discuss the details of this process, as so much of the information is top secret.

The analysis was nothing short of sensational. The photos hadn’t been faked. They showed a structured craft of unknown origin, unlike any conventional aircraft. There was no fuselage, no wings, no tail, no engines and no markings of any sort.

Because the photos had been taken in daylight with the surrounding countryside visible, MoD boffins could make some calculations about the mystery object’s size. It turned out to be nearly 100 feet in diameter.

Now here’s where it gets interesting for me.

An enlargement of the photos revealed two military jets in the background. It wasn’t clear if they were escorting the UFO, trying to intercept it, or whether their presence was coincidental and the pilots had been too far away to see it.

My predecessor had undertaken the investigation and I was staggered to learn that it hadn’t proved possible to trace the aircraft. This was unprecedented and suggested that someone inside the MoD had sabotaged the investigation and blocked the UFO project from getting to the truth. Dark forces were at work.

SO WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE HARRIER IN THE PHOTO?

I’ve seen an explanation that some believe it was a hoax photo and the whole thing was an argument over who owned the Harrier. But if there were two Harriers, according to Nick Pope who spoke on the existence and authenticity of the photo to the press, then how come they weren’t arguing over both Harriers?

The RAF and USMC both had Harriers and the Royal Air Force asked the Americans why a USMC Harrier was flying in Scotland. Neither side claimed ownership of the plane. But I think it’s important to note that according to Nick Pope, there were 2 Harriers in a photograph analyzed by MoD.

SOME SAY IT’S A ROCK

Some do suggest it’s a rock and reflection, and the Harrier is a person in a rowboat on the water. Well again, what Harrier where they arguing about if it was a rowboat on the water.

Calvine Rock Debunk Picture

But there has been a significant amount of leg work by others that make this theory very implausible. As this user shared a year ago:

It’s almost definitely not a reflection, it is known where they were taken – Struan Point near Calvine in Perthshire. The video I shared previously has David Clarke getting interviews with the RAF spokesperson as well as a local, they go the place where the photo was taken and match up everything. There is no lake where the photo was taken. Here’s an article on the UAP from David Clarkes website.

Approximate Location of Calvine photo

https://preview.redd.it/b8kiia8jav5d1.png?width=749&format=png&auto=webp&s=1dcb83f55ce4319164131479621d03a5f1fa802f

A senior lecturer in Photography at Sheffield Hallam University has done some photo analysis.

Although it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that the plane could be flying upside down, the shadow of the clouds would also be reflected backwards, this is not the case.

Here’s a comparison of a colourised image and the location determined by the investigators as the correct one.

https://preview.redd.it/30szfgtnav5d1.png?width=2000&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b2ec149d6430c501e1e0436d1ca364a6135bec0

The MoD have hidden all 6 photographs for the past 32 years. While photocopies, drawings and insider mock ups of the “Calvine UAP” have been leaked to the public, the originals were kept classified. In 2020, when their 30 year statute of limitations was up, the MoD was supposed to release info on the event as part of a secret UFO dossier on January 1 2021. The MoD and The National Archives ruled over the statute to keep them and the identity of the photographers classified until 2076 (though the photographers name has now been revealed). A retired RAF officer secretly kept a copy of one of the pictures. Surely it would have been easier for the MoD to explain it away as a rock from the offset.

More analysis has been done as of late

https://preview.redd.it/svbenj6sav5d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=b16525cfb1390f8ed56fc2348834b192d3a86d10

I THINK IT WAS BIG AND BEING ESCORTED

By two planes. Maybe I’m wrong though. Look forward to thoughts! I mostly just find this case so interesting since it was used as an example of a UAP vs TNO during Nell’s slides at Sol Symposium.

https://preview.redd.it/dl3gc9mpcv5d1.png?width=1261&format=png&auto=webp&s=dbce638e065e56b5ce2aaabaae1a62ecdf1c5133

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