EU residents need to ride the wave


I refer to European residents but to US citizens aswell than can help, which want to dig in the subject with their government and enrich the discussion:EU need to join in the disclosure process in order to line up for bigger involvement.

How can EU residents do something relevant about it? I do not have the answer.But I’ll try to list what I found.

I may sound too semplicistic in the following, but at the moment I cannot even think how to start for being impactful. Maybe the US citizens can help us.

Any help is appreciated.Following the wave of a recent call on Brits to sign a petition here on r/UFOs I stumbled across EU petitions looking for keywords “unidentified phenomena”.

I found this danish gentleman who opened a petition topic labeled “Fundamental Rights”: he made a request to the European Commission “for access to documents under Regulation (EC) No 1049/2001 which contain information concerning Unidentified Flying Objects, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Unknown Airborne Objects. “

“The Commission denied access to documents, owing to the fact that documents containing the requested information do not exist (as the information would have to be extracted from a database and therefore would call for a substantial investment).”The petition have been closed and their reply (with my understanding) looks familiar with the issues US is having between government and authorities which controls the information spills on the subject (the reply led me to think it).

I don’t have the knowledge in the authorities and departments organizations such as ECCAIRS / EASA, but organization which inquires on unidentified phenomenas in Europe are somehow non-governmental:

BUFORA – UKGEIPAN – France (they have the most serious website with accessible info)AFU – Sweden

Currently what is missing to Europeans is an office such as the AAARO or UAPTF in the US.At least it’s not public.

In the reply to petitioner, EASA invited him “to contact the Point of Contact of the Member State of his residence, to which requests for information concerning data collected through occurrence reporting may be submitted under certain conditions.”

The problem I think is the EU not being a Federation, and the issue might not have the same impact from every State member.

But that’s I consider this a start.I would like in the near future to update this post with all Point of Contact of each EU Member State (if someone know them already please reply and I’ll update the post quoting your comment).

EDIT N.1:

by user u/SonianVision

“If we manage to get an ECI with at least 1M signatures it has to be adressed. That has happened with aninal welfare legislation already:

https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/_en

That could result in a homogeneization of legislation regarding this matter at an EU level (instead of keeping it at member state level), which could bring down administrative boundaries and the compartimentalization of data.”

We need also media coverage to start picking it up.How?

Here’s the full reply to the petitioner for anyone interested:

” The petitioner made a request to the European Commission for access to documents under Regulation (EC) No 1049/2001 which contain information concerning Unidentified Flying Objects, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Unknown Airborne Objects. The Commission denied access to documents, owing to the fact that documents containing the requested information do not exist (as the information would have to be extracted from a database and therefore would call for a substantial investment). The Commission explains that information concerning Unidentified Flying Objects, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and Unknown Airborne Objects is collected and stored for the only purpose of maintaining and improving civil aviation safety. Data of accidents and incidents in aviation is gathered through the European Coordination Centre for Accident and Incident Reporting Systems (ECCAIRS). The information from ECCAIRS is stored in the European Central Repository (ECR). The Commission further explains that access to the ECR is governed by the provisions of Regulation (EU) 376/2014 and only interested parties may request access to certain information contained in the ECR. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) also informed the petitioner that it does not hold documents falling under the petitioner’s request which are subject to Regulation (EC) 1049/2001. The data and information contained in the ECR, and thus by extension any documents that may be generated by an ordinary function of that electronic database, do not fall within the provisions for public access under Regulation (EC) 1049/2001 but are subject to specific rules to ensure a greater protection of this information under Regulation (EU) 376/2014. EASA invited the petitioner to contact the Point of Contact of the Member State of his residence, to which requests for information concerning data collected through occurrence reporting may be submitted under certain conditions. Following a complaint submitted by the petitioner to the European Ombudsman against the European Commission concerning its decision, the Ombudsman concluded that there is no evidence to indicate that there was any maladministration by the European Commission. The petitioner recognises that the decisions by the EU bodies might not be an indication of maladministration, but expresses his dissatisfaction with the legislation that was referred to by the EASA, the Commission and the European Ombudsman to deny him access to ECCAIRS. He considers that TFEU Article 15 is being undermined by Regulation (EU) 376/2014 and that the later is too far-reaching.”

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