Trigger warning – socialism! Hopefully not too contentious!
I realise many of you are in the US and will find the following ideas deeply unpalatable for various reasons, and I’m going to discuss it anyway as I think it’s interesting, and worth a thought. I also trust this sub to be reasonably agnostic and focus on ideas instead of emotional politics.
TL;DR: What if retrievals have been given on purpose, not as a gift, but as a test? This has been suggested before, but I wonder (as an anarchist) if the test might not be “can you use this technology?”, but “can you use this technology for good?”.
The issue of intellectual ownership of retrieved NHI technology is in sharp focus, and for me, it boils down to this: if real, these materials should belong to the entire human population. We should all benefit from its potential. Some elite, weapons-manufacturing, merchants of death getting their hands on it is bad news, if it’s happened, and if they recieved exclusive IP and patents based on its abilities, that would be a disaster for humanity. It would be unjust, and create conflict. If it crashed in Roswell or Italy, it should benefit everyone.
As many have said, the economic ramifications of any disclosure (especially energy technology) works be colossal. The button could fall out of oil. The bottom could fall out of capitalism. As a raving leftie, this has always been a huge aspect of the UFO story for me.
As I’ve been thinking about this recently, it keeps reminding me of the first chapter of Pyotr Kropotkin’s book “The Conquest of Bread”, entitled “Our Riches”. Check it out here in video form. It’s not super long, and it relates to this subject strongly, but also raises another question.
Kropotkin argued that technology should belong to no single elite, because, while they may have developed a new specific technology, that is built on the back of generations of human thought and development. So if this tech is real, I would argue the same, but for the opposite reason: it should belong to everyone because nobody can lay claim to having developed it.
So now we’re coming to my thought: it’s been suggested several times that this tech could be a test for humans – let’s see if the monkeys can figure out the puzzle. But what actually is the puzzle? We assume it’s the technology itself, i.e: how does it float? But what is it’s not that? What if the test is what we choose to do with it? Perhaps until the technology is openly shared, it’s secrets will never be revealed? What if ET/NHI will never reveal themselves, or allow their technology to fall into the hands, of exactly the sort of shadowy cabal that currently seem to have it?
For a little more depth on my personal anarchist ideas:
I think society should be organised with as little hierarchy as possible so people have add much autonomy as possible without hurting others. When one person works power over another, that power should be reduced. That is – people (communities) should be in control of decision making, not political or financial elites. Economically, I’m far left as well (this is the only legitimate perspective for anarchists, “Anarchocapitalism” is BS). I think people are born into different levels of opportunity, and we should try to help people out of holes. I know these ideas are largely frowned on in the US due to the deeply regressive results of revolutions in Russia, Cuba, North Korea etc, and as an anarchist I completely agree those systems were all disasters. They all removed one ruling elite in the name of communism, only to immediately betray their revolutions by installing another even more brutal elite. Anarchism differs from these Bolshevik ML influenced schools of communism in two main ways: Firstly, the obvious one (it’s in the name): the state should not exist. Power should be devolved to local communities, with any representation limited by instant recall to prevent power grabs. Secondly: The relationship between ends and means. Lenin (and many today, in and outside communism) believed the opposite: that control must be gained by whatever means possible, to achieve the desired end. Anarchists argue that if you centralise power and use violence to achieve your end, the society you create will be centralised and violent. It’s almost the political “you are what you eat”.
Anyway, I’m just feeling a lot of crossover between two areas of interest, and wanted to see if the words of Kropotkin resonated for anyone else on the subject of crash retrievals and the intellectual property that may come along with it.
Our Riches: https://youtu.be/lgrpwwN8zM0
Edit: this was written in 1892 – so obviously a little dated. Old mate’s celebration of the clearing of land doesn’t sound too great to me these days! Lol
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