A detailed reading of the full transcript of Joe Rogan’s November 2023 interview of David Grusch reveals a number of further claims. It is interesting to read these statements in the context of the recent allegations about the Office of Global Access. Personally I think it may be unwise for people to publicise too much information about the OGA’s activities or the senior individuals involved, because of the potential impact on national & global security if the NHIs really are hostile and the OGA has been attempting to acquire intel and/or reverse engineer technology for our own defence. In any case, here is a summary of further revelations from Grusch’s interview:
1. Defense Intelligence Agency investigations: Grusch claims that the DIA has been investigating black holes and time warps, according to DIA reports he read when he was a Lieutenant. [00:03:03 – 00:03:18]
2. Documented UFO retrievals before 1933: Apparently “there’s something that predates” the alleged 1933 UFO retrieval in Italy, but Grusch makes it clear that he’s not currently at liberty to discuss it. [00:16:35 – 00:17:38]. Grusch later repeats his statement that he cannot discuss whether the 1933 UFO was specifically the first documented UFO that the United States had access to. [00:21:40 – 00:21:51]
3. UFOs and Axis powers in World War 2: Grusch thinks that scientific and military collaboration between Germany and Italy in response to UFO retrievals might have been one of the reasons the Axis powers joined forces (although not the only reason). [00:19:10 – 00:19:39]
4. “Old money families”, transnational links, and UFO retrievals: Grusch claims that (a) human intelligence prior to WW2 involved a lot of “informal intelligence” involving old money, the Vatican, and the Italian mob, (b) “affluent guys of all these old money families basically created the CIA”, and (c) this is probably the reason the 1933 UFO was recovered by the US. [00:20:55 – 00:21:31]
5. Manhattan Project influences and classified technological breakthroughs: Grusch claims that the Manhattan Project provided the template for the secrecy measures implemented in a 90-year reverse engineering program that has inspired myriad technological innovations used in classified national defence programs. However, since these breakthroughs are still classified, Grusch states that he will not provide specific details on anything that has been discovered. [00:22:22 – 00:23:15]
6. Lockheed Martin: Grusch claims that (a) Lockheed Martin have had an intact UFO since the 1950s, (b) he knows exactly where the material has been stored, (c) DIA officers managed to forcibly break into the UFO, (d) Grusch did not have clearance to be briefed on what was found inside the UFO, (e) Lockheed Martin have wanted to divest themselves of the UFO material specifically because the level of extreme secrecy and compartmentalisation has prevented them from being able to bring in the right engineers to properly study the craft. [00:35:56 – 00:36-59]
7. Compartmentalisation and National Security: Grusch believes that the scale of compartmentalisation is an obsolete relic of Cold War counterintelligence strategies from the reverse engineering program during those decades, and the resulting lack of effective knowledge-sharing has been to the detriment of national security. Grusch states that this has been a motive for him “blowing the whistle”, specifically because of the damage that has been caused to the speed of successful reverse engineering efforts. [00:38:46 – 00:40:49]
8. Former CIA director Mike Pompeo and UFOs: Grusch mentions a John Stossel interview of Pompeo from a few years ago, in which Pompeo was apparently dismissive of the “JFK file” but then quickly said “I’ve seen the UFO file too and we have bigger problems”. Grusch claims this interview is available online. [01:35:40 – 01:36:37]
9. Apex Predators:
Grusch uses mountain lions as an analogy for the reasons many NHIs may prefer to keep a low profile when observing us or entering our territory rather than engaging in open contact, with humans as the potentially violent but “lower” predators and NHIs as the much “higher” predators. [01:39:34 – 01:40:59].
Grusch uses mountain lions as an analogy again. Echoing Lue Elizondo’s statements and my own article trying to join the dots, Grusch suggests that the fact that on a galactic scale we may actually be the “mountain lion” rather than the apex predators is a major reason for the historical delays in full public Disclosure, because of how uncomfortable people would feel in that “worldview”. Grusch says it would be very hard for many humans to psychologically process that we’re not necessarily the smartest species, the vulnerable position this consequently puts us in, and the possibility that NHI species far superior than us may have malevolent intentions towards us. [02:13:41 – 02:14:26]
10. The Moon: Taking an interesting tangent, Grusch makes comments about us still not quite understanding the origin of the Moon, and describes the fact that the Moon is exactly the right size and location to be able to “block out the Sun” and cause solar and lunar eclipses as “super weird”. [02:23:58 – 02:24:08]
11. Schumer Amendment: Grusch states “If they [ie. the House] don’t pass it, it’s going to be the greatest setback to humankind in US history literally”. [02:30:57]
12. Obama and Disclosure:
Grusch wants to help John Podesta facilitate public Disclosure, specifically mentioning Podesta’s own belief that his “biggest failure was not to have Obama release the UFO file”. [01:34:49 – 01:35:17]
Grusch firmly states his belief in the importance of managing Disclosure extremely carefully in the interests of national security and the prevention of “collateral damage.” [02:24:36]
Grusch describes an informal session with individuals from a “former administration” that were discussing whether Disclosure should occur via “a certain former President”. Reading between the lines of the full transcript, it sounds like this refers to Obama. As has previously been discussed on UFO-related subs, the individuals told Grusch that “one of the biggest impasses to Disclosure wasn’t the ontological shock from a socioeconomic or theological perspective; it was […] white collar crime”. However, Grusch also states that another issue is the fact that it would have involved the administration admitting that they don’t have any effective countermeasures to protect the citizens from NHIs that “want to do something to you”, which would obviously cause great fear among many people. Grusch believes this will need to be addressed if full Disclosure does occur. [02:35:13 – 02:38:11]
13. Other Presidents and UFOs & NHIs:
Grusch claims that “a lot of presidents weren’t briefed [on] everything. Some presidents knew a lot more than others”. [02:38:46]
Grusch does not know what the late Harry Reid discussed with Joe Biden, but he “hopes Joe Biden has been briefed on the program, so to speak”. [02:39:24 – 02:39:31]
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