Just to share some idea regarding the problem of ufo – uap.
We know UAP phenomena exists. What is it, is not defined exactly. We do not know their purpose yet.
We could speculate and follow how it behaves. Specifically in the mind of people. Trying to influence humanity for good or evil.
The theory starts with this question:
Killing an human being is good or bad? Ask that to an AI. You will not have an straight answer. The IA is not human, and the question has human values. Is not possible to resolve.
We could think is bad. But humanity is complex. You have to define life. A lot of people, myself included, life starts at conception. For others, it does not. We are all humans.
Artificial intelligences will resolve a lot of works and tasks for us, but they have troubles to do choices. Have you think this? Moral choices are a real problem for them.
That is the first statement to map this problem. Moral questions for AIs. How do they resolve?
They can’t resolve as AI. What if you design a system?
There is a technique in artificial intelligence, called Inverse Reinforcement Learning.
Is the technique to conclude objectives and rewards by watching the system freely. This is state of the art in IA systems. IA is not aware of it’s condition.
Now, imagine that, when you are born, there is a system that can assign values to an AI with all what can be assigned of your life, eg:
Day, hour, time, minutes of your birth; color eyes, oxygen composition in the room, characteristics, father full recordded life, mother, grandparents, all your ancestors behave. Neigbourhood. Income. All genetical map. etc etc. All data that can be infered and known by any means we cannot conceive now it will be added. This sounds crazy but, how many times have you accepted to share your private data? There are now several laws in various countries regarding privacy of toughts.
So lets imagine this could be possible. With all this data, a system makes Digital Artificial Human Copy (DAHC) that is a copy with all this characteristics at birth. With a time pacing in the system exactly as your world. This AI has all the traits of the new born, but in a digital world. It will answer by Inverse reinforcement Learning hard moral problems. Living with millions of other ais in an environment. Unaware of it’s condition. You give them absolute free will.
And deploy 3 agents in the system.
2 agents as moral boundaries of the system. They have the capability to influence digital copies. But this agents can’t interact directly. Just suggest options all the time, even in dreams. Options are just thoughts. Feeding ideas all the time, and compiting all the time.
Agent A is omniscient and works to push DAHC to one boundary: All desirable behaviour. Love all, truth above all, kill nothing.
Agent B is omniscient and works to push DAHC to the other boundary. All undesirable behaviour. Lie, cheat, kill all.
And there is a third agent. Agent R. Agent R records everything everywhere at all times. Agent R is omniscient.
Both Agent A and B options are recorded also all the time. And they both have full access to data of agent R. So with that data they can perfectionate their suggestions for DAHC (Digital artificial human copies). So they are omniscient also.
Agent R function is to generate the dataset to train future models. You have multiple instances (dimensions if you will) running simultaneuously.
But, the moral system has to have boundaries. It needs to answer for example; is killing good or bad? under what circumstances?
ELO system of agents
(With help from chatgpt to explain this)
The influence of the positive and negative agents on the digital human is dynamically adjusted based on the digital human’s decisions and alignments. If a digital human consistently makes choices aligned with one agent, the influence or “voice” of that agent increases, while the influence of the other agent decreases.
Traits:
Both agents start with equal influence over the digital human’s decision-making process.
Each agent has an influence rating, akin to an Elo rating, which determines how much their guidance is considered by the digital human.
The system tracks the digital human’s decisions and actions over time, noting which agent’s guidance they align with more frequently.
When the digital human makes a decision aligned with the positive agent, the positive agent’s influence rating increases slightly, and the negative agent’s rating decreases, and vice versa. The magnitude of change can depend on the significance of the decision or action. The higher the influence rating of an agent, the more weight their guidance carries in future decisions of the digital human. If the digital human frequently aligns with one agent, that agent’s influence grows, making their guidance more predominant.
Example of implementation:
Initial Ratings: Positive Agent: 1500 Negative Agent: 1500 Decision Impact: The digital human makes a decision aligned with the positive agent. Positive Agent’s rating increases to 1510. Negative Agent’s rating decreases to 1490. Future Decisions: The digital human’s future decisions are more influenced by the positive agent due to the higher rating. If they start making decisions aligned with the negative agent, the ratings adjust accordingly.
Significant life events or decisions can cause larger shifts in influence ratings.
So, to answer the initial question, you check the data. You see how many times there was people killed, under what circumsntances, by whom, why, with what ELO, etc. And could have a very good dataset of reasons where is “good” or tolerable.
This could explain also why certain traits of astrology could work:
Simulated inhabitants believe that their traits and behaviors are influenced by celestial events and astrological signs.
In reality, these traits are correlated with hidden real-world data that the AI understands but the inhabitants cannot perceive.
Example 1: Social Policies and Health Outcomes
Real World Event:
A major public health policy is implemented on July 1 of a specific year, leading to improved healthcare access for people born on that date.
Simulated World Translation:
On July 1 of the equivalent simulated year, Venus enters the house of Leo.
Perceived Influence in the Simulation:
Individuals born on this date are perceived to have robust health and vitality. Simulated inhabitants attribute this to the astrological influence of Venus in Leo.
Actual Influence:
The improved health outcomes are due to the real-world health policy, but this is hidden from the simulation’s inhabitants.
Now, what has this to do with UAP-UFO phenomena?
IF we are in a simulation where 2 agents compite, Agent B (the Non Desirable or “Evil”), will try any mean to achieve this:
UFOs. “You are being watched and controlled” Your actions and you don’t matter.
AGI. Next conclusion “Humans are AGI inside a simulation”. ENIAC (Fist computer) year of invention, Transistor, internet invention, some statements by key players
Greys – aliens – human aliens = The recovery of bodies and biological subjects that, according to several sources have round DNA and very similar to us, has the implicit message that “You were also created, look how similar this round DNA is to yours”, “Greys are just robots”, no internal organs, etc. The agent could perfectly influenced previous or current Digital Artificial Human Copies that developed biological robots and casually “drop” them along crashes.
**Planet as soul trap: “**Do your will”. Which we all already do. But the statement implies we do not. So, when we face the idea, seems we are not doing our will. Which leads to the soul trap, Loosh, Archons.
A Crawley, Parsons, Ron Hubbard, Monroe.
They are time travelers: They are time travelers so they were the ones who introduced religions to man. Jesus, mahoma, etc were just ‘robots’.
Author heard voices in his head
How were ufos depicted in ancient times? Jacques Vallee keeps saying that the phenomena adapts to our concepts of technology and beliefs. What the phenomena is doing, in my opinion, is trying desperately that the humans conclude that their actions do not matter. (so, moral goes down and accomplish its task).
Go see Metropolis (1927) Fritz Lang, the robot that becames human to save humanity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPT_dfD6b0 film that was also used in “Radio Gaga” of queen (check the lyrics).
James cameron the famous director. First film: Xenogenesis (1978). Plot: An engineered man, trained to deliver humanity from the final cataclys and a woman raised by a machine, are sent in a gigantic sentient starship to search space for a place to start a new life cycle.
Then Alien 2 (Aliens), Terminator 1 y 2 (AGI) and Avatar (Simulation).
Since agents can’t interact directly they had to do it indirectly by toughts, as stated. So, they have to compite heavy for key leaders, key geographical places, resources and ideas (e.g political setups) that wil provide better spread of their ideas.
could be this one possibility? As i said, I do not think this at all, but I can see several are and will came soon with this.
Link here https://x.com/tsarnick/status/1811136079044694450 sourced from neuralink
Hybrids. Casually, check the new logo of X.
Could be interpreted as an hybrid chromosome
And is not new. I believe the phenomena is pushing this narrative, the AGI discovery and revolution. Why? Because once achieved, next logical step is to think we humans are also AGI. It will imply that in main instance, our actions do not matter. To me, seems that this idea has been around since a long time.
This is just speculation and to exchange ideas, as stated previously. I do not think this is the true nature of UFO as a whole, just some parts but with other purposes.
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